Ken Miller on Intelligent Design



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Ken Miller's talk on Intelligent Design at Case Western University. Ken Miller basically rips Intelligent Design apart in a 2 hour long exposé of the claims of intelligent design and the tactics that creationists employ to get it shoehorned into the American school system.


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'chimp can be ... ( 1 hour ago by TheProf1988)
'chimp can be mutated into TheProf1988'
impossible, but then again thats not evolution. evolution within a single isolated gene pool. me and a chimp are in different gene pools. rather we share a recent common gene pool.
'causing human devolution'
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with the exception of you and renfield, there is no such thing as devolution
'well you dont have ... ( 1 hour ago by TheProf1988)
'well you dont have anything observable for evolution'
the successive change in allele frequency due to random mutation and natural selection is the definition of evolution. it is observed , it is fact.
'Dr Alan Feduccia, ... ( 1 hour ago by TheProf1988)
'Dr Alan Feduccia, a bird authority says'
the only authority in science is the evidence.
the evidence shows that archaeopteryx is a bird, therefore it is also a dinosaur.
whether it diverged in the permian, the triassic or the jurassic. it IS a bird AND a dinosaur by definition. thats whats so beautiful about it
Stupid response, ... ( 1 hour ago by HISTRUTHBEKNOWN)
Stupid response, but typical for you.
Why don't you try to stay on topic instead of avoid it.
You have nothing intelligent to add to the debate, just like you do not have any empirical evidence/science that all living forms have a common ancestor in the supposed simple cell at the root of the bogus evolutionary tree of life which a mythical magical brainless purposeless nothing supposedly caused its genesis & transmutation all without any tangible evidence or repeatable testable science.
A bird is not a ... ( 1 hour ago by HISTRUTHBEKNOWN)
A bird is not a reptile dinosaur. There is no evidence that a supposed reptile transmuted into a bird. This is just an evolutionist fairy tale notion. Besides the morphological changes there is: scales to feathers, solid bones to hollow bones, mammal lungs to avian lungs, tetra-pod skeleton to bird skeleton, brain function for earthbound living to the ability to fly & navigate, & more beyond my understanding. All of these changes are required at the same time otherwise its not functional & dies
'you do not have ... ( 1 hour ago by TheProf1988)
'you do not have any empirical evidence/science that all living forms have a common ancestor'
DNA
HTBK'well you dont ... ( 57 minutes ago by HISTRUTHBEKNOWN)
HTBK'well you dont have anything observable for evolution'
TheProf1988 "the successive change in allele frequency due to random mutation and natural selection is the definition of evolution. it is observed , it is fact."
Stop Hijacking any evidence especially genetic evidence which has nothing to do with the bogus notion that Darwin plagiarized. Evolution never had a start & never happened from pond scum to you. Therefore, until this mythical event is substantiated, you have no evidence to use
'A bird is not a ... ( 55 minutes ago by TheProf1988)
'A bird is not a reptile dinosaur.'
the word reptile largely means nothing
birds are dinosaurs by definition
birds, non avian dinosaurs, crocodiles and pterosaurs are all the same KIND of organism called archosauromorphs
HTBK 'you do not ... ( 55 minutes ago by HISTRUTHBEKNOWN)
HTBK 'you do not have any empirical evidence/science that all living forms have a common ancestor'
TheProf1988 "DNA"
Stop Hijacking any evidence especially genetic evidence which has nothing to do with the bogus notion that Darwin plagiarized. Evolution never had a start & never happened from pond scum to you. Therefore, until this mythical event is substantiated, you have no evidence to use.
DNA was not a prediction of Darwin, try enumerable (millions) transitional fossils instead.
A bird is not a ... ( 53 minutes ago by HISTRUTHBEKNOWN)
A bird is not a reptile dinosaur. There is no evidence that a supposed reptile transmuted into a bird. This is just an evolutionist fairy tale notion. Besides the morphological changes there is: scales to feathers, solid bones to hollow bones, mammal lungs to avian lungs, tetra-pod skeleton to bird skeleton, brain function for earthbound living to the ability to fly & navigate, & more beyond my understanding. All of these changes are required at the same time otherwise its not functional & dies
'Stop Hijacking any ... ( 53 minutes ago by TheProf1988)
'Stop Hijacking any evidence...bogus notion...Darwin plagiarized...Evolution... never happened'
the successive change in allele frequency due to random mutation and natural selection is the definition of evolution.
can yopu comprehend this HTBK, no one is hijacking evidence THIS IS EVOLUTION!!
1/3.....But then ... ( 53 minutes ago by HISTRUTHBEKNOWN)
1/3.....But then Gould asks himself, How can such processes change a gnat or a rhinoceros into something fundamentally different? Answering his own question in a later article, Gould simply says: That theory [orthodox neo-Darwinian extrapolationalism], as a general proposition, is effectively dead, despite its persistence as textbook orthodoxy.
2/3....And Gould is ... ( 52 minutes ago by HISTRUTHBEKNOWN)
2/3....And Gould is far from an isolated example. Back in October of 1980, the worlds leading evolutionists met in Chicago for a conference summarized popularly by Adler and Carey in Newsweek and professionally by Lewin in Science According to the professional summary, The central question of the Chicago conference was whether the mechanisms underlying microevolution can be extrapolated to explain the phenomena of macro-evolution.
3/3.....{That is, ... ( 51 minutes ago by HISTRUTHBEKNOWN)
3/3.....{That is, the processes of mutation, selection, and sexual recombination all produce variation within kind (microevolution—or creationist adaptation), but can these processes be logically extended (extrapolated) to explain the presumed evolutionary change generally from simpler to more complex types (macroevolution)?} At the risk of doing violence to the positions of some of the people at the meeting, the answer can be given as a clear, No. Just plain No!
1/3Disregarding ... ( 49 minutes ago by HISTRUTHBEKNOWN)
1/3Disregarding pseudogenes for now, let us consider our state of knowledge of the functional genes in general. James D. Watson, writing on the 50th anniversary of his (& F. Cricks) discovery of the helical structure of the DNA molecule, commented as follows: The most humbling aspect of the Human Genome Project so far has been the realization that we know remarkably little about what the vast majority of human genes do. Watson, J.D., DNA: The Secret of Life, Alfred A. Knopf, NY, p. 217, 2003.
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A phylogenetically discordant duplication (shown as D in figure 2) has its own blow to strike against the whole evolutionary shared mistakes argument:
One exceptional change is a duplicated segment of GGGATGCC in intron 4, which is shared by the gorilla and the orangutan. However, because this change is phylogenetically incompatible with any of the three possible
Array ( 47 minutes ago by HISTRUTHBEKNOWN)
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sister-relationships among the closely related trio of the human, the chimpanzee, and the gorilla, it might result from two independent duplications. Alternative, though less likely, a single duplication occurred in the ancestral species of the great apes and had been polymorphic for a sufficiently long time to permit fixation of the duplicated form in the orangutan and the gorilla on the one hand and loss in the human and chimpanzee on the other hand. Oda et al., ref. 22, p. 642.
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Perhaps the most prominent shared mistake among pseudogenes overall is the premature stop codon. Two (of the six) premature stop codons now known for the Uox pseudogenes (at codons 33 &187) do follow an evolutionary shared mistakes deployment. Members of the orang-gorilla-chimp-human clade share the codon 33 premature stop codon, while the one at codon 187 is found in gorillas, chimps and humans. In contrast, 3 others (at codons 18, 167 & 197) are unique to one type of primate only, &,
2/2 based on post ... ( 46 minutes ago by HISTRUTHBEKNOWN)
2/2 based on post hoc evolutionary reasoning, are imagined to have originated after each respective primate had branched off its ancestral lineage. .., one of the newly discovered premature stop codons in the Uox pseudogene has an evolutionarily impossible deployment described as follows: The nonsense mutation (TGA) at codon 107 is, however, more complicated than others. It occurs in the gorilla, the orangutan, & the gibbon, and therefore requires multiple origins of this nonsense mutation.
1/3 from Arn ... ( 44 minutes ago by HISTRUTHBEKNOWN)
1/3 from Arn . org/docs/abstasis . htm
Darwin saw evolution as a slow and stately process. He pictured organisms gradually transforming from one species into another over immense spans of time. Evolution, he believed, had to occur through "infinitely numerous transitional links" forming "the finest graduated steps." Darwin was a strict adherent of gradualism and the notion that "nature does not make leaps." He spelled this out very clearly in his Origin of Species:
Array ( 44 minutes ago by HISTRUTHBEKNOWN)
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If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous successive slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down (Darwin, 1859, p. 219).
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If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous successive slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down (Darwin, 1859, p. 219).
There was one major stumbling block to this view of life: the fossil evidence. In a chapter entitled "On the Imperfection of the Geological Record" he readily admits:
correction missed a part
3/3 ... The number ... ( 42 minutes ago by HISTRUTHBEKNOWN)
3/3 ... The number of intermediate varieties, which have formerly existed on the earth, (must) be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory (Darwin, 1859, p. 292).
no.. only the ... ( 21 minutes ago by Renfield37)
no.. only the definition is observed,
but not the actual evidence because there is none.
there are only definitions you want to believe.
but definitions are not scientific facts
evolution is NOT a scientific fact



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